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Topic: Beginning of an App Store revolt?

47 replies / Originally posted by dave / Latest reply from deinfinityx / Topic is open

By dave

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This hasn't been a good week for news about the App Store. First, Joe Hewitt, the developer of the Facebook application on the iPhone (one of the most popular apps in the store) announced that he will no longer be developing on the iPhone due to Apple's horrible policies regarding the App Store.

On TechCrunch, Hewitt is quoted as saying, "My decision to stop iPhone development has had everything to do with Apple’s policies. I respect their right to manage their platform however they want, however I am philosophically opposed to the existence of their review process. I am very concerned that they are setting a horrible precedent for other software platforms, and soon gatekeepers will start infesting the lives of every software developer."

And today, Rogue Amoeba, the developers behind the iPhone application Speakers (and makers of many fine Mac applications) announced they are abandoning all further development on the iPhone after Apple took ***3.5 months*** to approve a simple point release for bug fixes. From their blog: "The chorus of disenchanted developers is growing and we’re adding our voices as well. Rogue Amoeba no longer has any plans for additional iPhone applications, and updates to our existing iPhone applications will likely be rare. The iPhone platform had great promise, but that promise is not enough, so we’re focusing on the Mac."

Frankly, I'm excited to see this happen and hope many more developers jump on board. While I really enjoy my iPhone (when it works), the App Store review process is fundamentally broken and is not conducive to innovation. Why spend countless hours and money developing an application for the iPhone when you're not even sure it will be approved in the first place (let alone in a timely matter).

Something needs to happen.

We previously discussed a similar topic to this a few months ago:
Would an App Strike work against Apple?
http://discuss.gdgt.com/apple/general/would-an-app-strik
e-work-against-apple/


Other relevant links:
http://www.techcrunch.com/2009/11/11/joe-hewitt-develope
r-of-facebooks-massively-popular-iphone-app-quits-the-pr
oject/

http://www.rogueamoeba.com/utm/
http://www.mikeash.com/?page=pyblog/the-iphone-developme
nt-story-one-year-later.html

http://carpeaqua.com/2009/10/16/back-to-the-mac/

Also, XKCD weighs in:
http://xkcd.com/662/

Posted 2 months ago

By brettdunnam

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Yeah Apple is really hurting itself here but I don't know if enough developers will be disgruntled enough to stop development altogether. I hope I'm wrong though because Apple needs to change their policies dramatically, and soon. It's frustrating for me to see and I'm not a developer.

I think it is funny that Apple is trying to appease the masses by letting you check on the progress of your app: http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/11/apple-lets-devs-bite-
their-nails-in-real-time-as-iphone-apps-nav/


It doesn't matter whether or not I can SEE that an app update is waiting to be approved for 3.5 months, it's the fact that it takes 3.5 months in the first place. Come on, Apple. You're going to have to try harder than that.

Posted 2 months ago

By greedobuck

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Isn't the fact that an app needs approval in the first place the bigger concern?

Apple's policy is anti-consumer and anti-technology. It's a shame the iPhone is so popular when there are alternatives that don't play big brother to their customers.

Posted 2 months ago

By hong

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Im hoping they head over to Android.

Posted 2 months ago

By Dpmt

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I think soon all hell will break loose.

But the question remains, where will the devs go? My bet is Android but maybe something like Maemo, Symbian or BB could get lucky. Androids advantage is size, Maemos is language iPhone devs get C already (and Unix OSs) so there's less of a jump, WebOS might get some of the devs who have lightweight apps and like pretty interfaces.Not sure about BB, Symbian or WinMo (depends on the HD2)

Posted 2 months ago

By dagamer34

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My bet is Android. It's the only major platform that still hasn't hit its peak and it's backed by Google. Plus, I think a lot more developers know Java than Objective C.

My hope is that Google cleans up the UI to make the "default" more standardized for people to use. Android itself still has a lot of work it needs to do to get up to feature parity with the iPhone OS.

Posted 2 months ago

By brettdunnam

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Im hoping they head over to Android. I think most of them will try to avoid WinMo and probably BB as well. I'm not sure that WebOS will get them either just because a lot of the developers have been writing native apps for the iPhone after being frustrated when they were originally restricted to web-based apps. Some of the devs might just stop for a while altogether hoping that Apple will change their ways.

Posted 2 months ago

By GrimReaper

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I'm really happy thats happening. My gdgt list has been filled with Apple products but this attitude is just turning me away. I really liked the iPhone and rarely encountered the dropped call and signal problems.

But got fed up of Apple's control habits and did the best thing I can as a customer: stop buying their products. So I sold off my iPhone and plan on not buying any of their products until something is done about it. Not really my loss since Windows 7 isn't bad and Blackberries are far better with the communicating than most which is what I use my cell phone for.

Posted 2 months ago

By teapower

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Interesting topic. The people who decide what happens will be the consumer. Open development probably sounds nice to them but means nothing. Though if the people like us ruled Apple the App Store would be open and only a day or two of testing just to see if the app doesn't crash too much of isn't malware. But the consumer won't really notice this topic until they see a widespread wanted app be rejected.

Posted 2 months ago

By canadianpj

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I understand it's fashionable to bash Apple and the iPhone, that alone should worry Apple greatly. There is no better way to get a lot of hits on a blog posting than to condemn the iPhone or this and that. That being said, they do need to work on the approval process and do so soon. I am sure this all brings many hits to the developers websites as well.

I do enjoy my iPhone (which always works for me) but Apple needs to work on the PR around this all.

Posted 2 months ago

By Dpmt

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Its not a PR problem its a bad policy problem. If Microsoft controlled what you installed on PCs I think most people would flip out. The same is true with Apple. They need to let me side load! Until then they will not get my business and I will vehemently oppose anyone getting into that ecosystem.

Posted 2 months ago

By greedobuck

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Side loading would solve this issue perfectly. Windows Mobile has the best of both worlds - an app store on the device that only provides vetted apps (though currently there are only 200 or so...nowhere near the number on the iPhone), and you can also source unrestricted apps from the dozens of online stores and side load them onto your device.

If the iPhone allowed this (unlikely given Apple's apparent dislike of giving their customers freedom) they would have a massive app store that most (i.e. non-tech) users would use and an alternative way for the more tech savvy consumers to get apps that don't meet Steve Jobs's personal standards and tastes.

But the iPhone's demographic is mostly not tech savvy and/or interested in the details. They just want to tap the screen and download Facebook.

It's sad that in the year 2009 a technology company is trying to enforce its values on its customers.

Posted 2 months ago

By dave

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"But the iPhone's demographic is mostly not tech savvy and/or interested in the details. They just want to tap the screen and download Facebook."

I don't get why people assume this. Nearly every person I know in the tech world (including the majority of the gdgt team) use iPhones.

Posted 2 months ago

By Dpmt

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I never spoke about others not doing business with Apple just myself, except to say that if Microsoft had control over applications people would flip out. Given that Microsoft's bundling of Internet Explorer into its OS has caused it enough grief, control over other applications would land it in more trouble.

Posted 2 months ago

By liz

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"I don't get why people assume this. Nearly every person I know in the tech world (including the majority of the gdgt team) use iPhones."

While that may be true, that isn't the mainstream demographic of consumers. We are the 20 of the 80/20. People turn to Apple products for ease of use and quality — it is part of their brand identity — and the approval process controls this tightly. Opening up the iPhone for side loading will cut into Apple's profits and control over user experience, but I am interested in seeing how this will play out with the rise of Android. I welcome the competition more than anything because clearly the iPhone honeymoon is over.

Posted 2 months ago

By ChrisDenney

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yes, tech people have iPhones, but so does EVERYONE ELSE, including a huge number of very non-tech savvy people.

The iPhone is popular across a huge variety of demographics and only a small percentage of any given group is particularly tech savvy so the overall numbers lean towards people who probably have not even heard of android.

Posted 2 months ago

By coologuy1957

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ya, most iphone users I know are that or nothing... they don't know or care about android and they are happy... oh well...

Posted 2 months ago

By greedobuck

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I don't think the people Apple wants to buy its phone are going to notice any bad press around topics such as this. They are trying to get a mainstream demographic with the iPhone. This is unfortunate.

Also, I really think 'working on the approval process' is missing the point completely. The problem is that Apple wants to control what content is available on their hardware. This is a Very Bad Thing.

Improving the approval process would make the product better, but it's not fixing the actual problem - just a few side effect symptoms.

Posted 2 months ago

By clark

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I'd say so. I've had an app in review for..., 36 days with no word from Apple and no way to contact them to ask why.

Posted 2 months ago

By dave

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Over a month?

That's completely unacceptable. Totally bummed to hear that.

Posted 2 months ago

By jonursenbach

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What app? I wouldn't mind supporting devs who've had trouble with the App Store.

Posted 2 months ago

By clark

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Well, it's still not available - still "In Review." I have sent a few emails to the review team and have gotten nothing back but the auto generated "We have received your email" response.
*facepalm*

It's free anyways. It was a cute little game is all.

Posted 2 months ago

By jonursenbach

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Ah lame. Let me know whenever they approve it!

Posted 2 months ago

By Dpmt

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You followed the flowchart right? http://www.orangeek.org/images/apple_flowchart_for_appli
cations.jpg


In all seriousness that sucks. Good luck!

Posted 2 months ago

By UncleMuscles

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Competition is the answer. If there was another serious platform for developing apps on then Apple would have to fix the problem. Android might be that competitor in another 6 months or 1 year.

Unfortunately, now that Apple has so much momentum it is going to be difficult to catch up. Obviously, Google needs to be aggressive about reaching out to angry iPhone developers. Perhaps more importantly they need to be aggressive about bribing the top iPhone developers who are ambivalent about Apple's app policies.

Great applications will drive sales of Android devices and greater device sales will drive more application development, but Google will have to grease some palms to really get things started.

Posted 2 months ago

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