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Topic: Will Kindle (and e-book readers) survive in a post-iPad world? I think so.

20 replies / Originally posted by ryan / Latest reply from drawkward / Topic is open

By ryan

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So I turned on my Kindle 2 for the first time since the iPad launch (hey, it's been a busy week!), and I have to say, the sheen hasn't been dulled. Yeah, the industrial design is still a little haphazard for my tastes, I still really dislike the directional stick, and the screen feels feels as small and limiting as ever.

But damn it, E Ink still has the look and eye-feel of paper, and after spending the last few decades reading and working on a computer, I feel pretty confident that iPad isn't going to take the place of reading real books or reading on E Ink based devices. (At least not until the iPad gets a display that is as comfortable on the eyes to read as E Ink is.) That isn't to say the iPad won't be a success (for more on that, see gdgt weekly 071: http://features.gdgt.com/2010/01/30/gdgt-weekly-071/ ). But the best device for reading books, the iPad is definitely not -- iBooks or no iBooks.


Another thing I picked up today was the December 2009 issue of Newsweek. (Yeah, Veronica and I are subscribers of the paper edition.) In it there's an interview with Jeff Bezos that, obviously, came pre-iPad; but it's pretty telling stuff, and I can't say I disagree with what Jeff is laying down. Check it out:

Q: So an Apple tablet would be a companion to the Kindle?
A: Absolutely. We've got Kindle for PC. And we're working on Kindle for the Mac. Our vision is that we want you to be able to read Kindle books wherever you want to read your Kindle books.

Q: Ultimately do you not even care about selling the physical Kindle itself?
A: No, we do care. Our goal with the Kindle device is separate from the Kindle bookstore. ***With the Kindle bookstore, wherever you want to read we're going to support you. And then for the Kindle device, we want that to be the world's best purpose-built reading device. It's not a Swiss Army knife. It's not going to do a bunch of different things. We believe that reading deserves a dedicated device, and we want Kindle to be that device.*** [Emphasis mine.] It's like a digital camera. I like having the digital camera on my smart phone, but I also like having a dedicated camera for when I want to take real pictures.

From: http://www.newsweek.com/id/227751

Posted 1 month ago

By SW

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I sympathize with the comment about the dedicated use of a Kindle. As a $49 devices that sells you books, it makes sense (I saw $149 readers at CES that worked reasonable well). Even better, a cell phone model of free reader with book/magazine/newspaper subscriptions might work. Imperfect as it is though, the iPad does more of what I want.

Posted 1 month ago

By greedobuck

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But where do you stop? If I'm going to buy a tablet form factor I see no point settling for the limited iPad. A proper tablet PC can do so much more, and it's not like the iPad is particularly portable.

That said, I can't forsee getting rid of my ebook reader. A tablet with an LCD screen simply can't compete in my eyes. It is only a matter of time before ereaders get cheaper and the screens get even better.

Posted 1 month ago

By Dpmt

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I think e-ink devices will survive just fine. But from what I just read its sounds like you should hit plastic logic up for a Que to review. All the eInk goodness of the kindle with a large touch screen and some slick ebony ID.

http://gdgt.com/plastic-logic/que/proreader/

Posted 1 month ago

By drawkward

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e-reader may survive simply because of cost, form factor, and battery life (for now, is better than a multipurpose device), but e-ink is a dead end in my opinion. And not just mine...

http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/09/the-e-reader-story-of
-ces-2010/

Engadget's CES '10 e-reader feature ends saying:

"As such, dedicated monochrome E-Ink devices like Kindle and the Sony Reader will be forced even deeper into the niche they now serve as the year plays out. One thing's for sure -- monochrome electronic ink displays are not the future of e-readers. If you ask us, the smart money is on multi-purpose devices running hybrid displays from Pixel Qi (or similar) like Notion Ink's Adam. Not only does this avoid lock in to a single content provider, but you maintain full Internet access with the ability to subscribe to materials from Skiff, Barnes & Noble, Borders, Blio, Google, and iTunes, for example, while enjoying the type of rich multimedia experiences that main stream media publications are keen to pursue.

Kindle, and its E Ink peers, are officially on notice."

The vaunted eyestrain advantage of e-ink, in my opinion, has been overstated and is merely "the best way to read long-form with bad habits". This NYT article suggests that e-ink provides worse contrast than some print and more eyestrain in dim environments compared to LCD and significant eyestrain in bright environments. It also notes that LCDs cannot harm your eyes.

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/02/12/do-e-readers-ca
use-eye-strain/


The main takeaway is that display technology matters, but reading habits by far have more effect on eyestrain than anything else.

Posted 1 month ago

By mdustinelliott

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Ryan, I agree with you. I'm not a Kindle owner, but I really see the utility of a dedicated device. In a world of do-it-all products, it's actually refreshing to see something succeed that's devoted to one purpose: reading. I think the market for the Kindle will remain strong, even post-iPad release. Good post!

Posted 1 month ago

By ryan

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Yeah, and I think people sometimes forget that Apple already sells more dedicated devices than any other kind of product -- in terms of unit sales, Apple's two best-selling products are the iPod nano and iPod shuffle, and those are two devices that are built specifically for media playback. (Yes, the nano has increasingly pushed the boundaries for dedicated portable media devices with stuff like its integrated camera, etc., but you get what I'm saying here.)

As much as we all love converged devices, there's still absolutely nothing wrong with products that are specifically suited both technologically and physically to particular tasks.

Posted 1 month ago

By hunthenning

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Just like the camera has survived the camera-phone revolution I think the Kindle will survive also. For some people the iPad will be enough, but for others they will want something more. This is why people buy things like Digital DLSs and Zunes.

Posted 1 month ago

By rgersmrk

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I may be in the minority here but what I like about the Kindle 2 is it's a distraction free device. It has a single purpose and it does that well. Putting Twitter or any sort of social app on the Kindle 2 is not what I am looking for in a reading device.

About the only thing I see missing from the Kindle 2 is a crossword app or a comic strip app.

Posted 1 month ago

By justincharles

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Absolutely. E Ink still will provide a superior experience for reading books. I actually first experienced Kindle books via the Kindle iPhone application. I read some books with it but really only did so in a piecemeal fashion - standing in line at the store or sitting on a train. However, I couldn't really imagine sitting for hours at a time reading a book with it. I got a Kindle and knew I'd made the right call for deep reading. Now my Kindle integrates seamlessly with my iPhone Kindle app so I can read a bit while I wait for a coffee or whatever and pick up where I left off when I get home. In my mind, that was Amazon's aim. However, I'm not sure how the iPad fits into this ecosystem because of it's size.

Posted 1 month ago

By violajack

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Agree 100%. I picked up a nook last weekend and haven't put it down. I can look at that screen for hours, no strain. I used to think I could look at a computer screen for that long with no problem, until I experienced looking at eInk for hours. While I think the iPad might be a neat device, I will be keeping my nook.

I would love to see apps come to the nook, as it is running android afterall, but I also agree with rgersmrk that the lack of distraction on the dedicated ereader is a really nice change from the barrage of emails, tweets, facebook updates, and new google reader items I'm normally chasing.

Posted 1 month ago

By SteveBIRK

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The announcement of the iPad made me want a kindle (or nook) more. The iPad is too expensive just for reading and I already have a netbook. The thing that the iPad can do would be comic books and magazines but its still too expensive for those things.

Posted 1 month ago

By greedobuck

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I think magazines are dead anyway. Like newspapers, they are superseded by digital content on the web. The benefit of magazines is in their cheap, bendy, foldy, take anywhere nature.

Posted 1 month ago

By eawortman

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I agree with the sentiments of this thread. The evening of the iPad announcement I had some concern if I had made the right choice in going with the Kindle a few weeks prior, knowing it was likely to happen. I loved my Kindle2 before the announcement, but I began to worry that the iBook store would kill off the Kindle store or that I would not be able to get content. So I picked up my Kindle and got sucked right back into the reading experience. Like others here, I will keep my Kindle/dedicated book reader and say no thanks to the iPad as my primary reading device.

Posted 1 month ago

By beau

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I think the dedicated e-reader will still exist, but it's going to have to be at a lower price point than the iPad. The Kindle DX is going to have tough sledding ahead at price parity to the iPad.

Posted 1 month ago

By greedobuck

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Digital readers are already at much lower price points than the iPad. Most are 6-inch screens, which may be a bit on the small side. The larger Kindle DX screen is too big for my liking. Within 2 years a 7 or 8 inch e-ink (or better display) reader will be about US$200.

I think a lot of people will find the iPad useful for reading, but people who love reading and/or love gadgets will stick with dedicated readers.

Posted 1 month ago

By DandamanV

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I think so. Yes. Apple doesn't own THAT much of the market ;)

Posted 1 month ago

By Carniphage

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As someone who owns and uses a Sony E-Reader, I am sceptical about the future of e-ink devices.
E-ink is just too slow to be usable. If your only use for a reader is reading a novel, then the slow page turns are less important. But trying to rapidly navigate a text-book - or skim reading is just too frustrating. The sluggish nature of the screen limits the device to just one style of reading.

An LCD device not only brings color, but speed and flexibility.

Certainly, the readability of e-ink's frontlit dark-grey-on-light-grey is fine. Not as good as paper but not bad.
But I spend every working day reading from backlit LCD screens. Far more time than I spend reading from paper.

The idea that LCD is "less readable" is clearly nonsense.

C.

Posted 1 month ago

By greedobuck

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E-ink is a new technology, and refresh times have already been improved quite a bit. Also, there are new technologies that are promising the paper-like look of e-ink with close to LCD refresh rates (electrowetting? pixel QI? I think are two of the tech names).

I agree that (at least currently) e-ink is next to useless for flipping through a reference book. But then again, I don't think it's all to do with the screen refresh. I can't read a PDF of a reference book on a computer either. It's just so much easier to flip actual physical pages.

I also read more on LCD than on e-ink, but reading on e-ink is reading for pleasure. LCDs are hard on my eyes. It's fine for work, where I'm usually reading short bites of text, emails, etc, not reading solid blocks of text for long periods (and my work is mostly writing). I still tend to print out a lot of documents because it's far more comfortable and natural to read on paper.

It's difficult to explain, but reading large amounts on an LCD just makes me lose enthusiasm and get weary. It's like when I hear music that is recorded too loud and although my ears don't actually hurt, I just have to turn off the music due to a tangible discomfort. I don't get that when using my ereader.

Posted 1 month ago

By eawortman

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I feel the same as you. LCD is fine for reading articles or up to a couple pages of text, but long form reading doesn't work for me. Most of use use LCD's all day without much issue, but there is something to be said for curling up under a lamp with a book, electronic or otherwise.

Posted 1 month ago

By curtisbyers

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I think ebook readers will survive, but I can't imagine myself buying one now. A month ago, I was ready to buy a Kindle. Now I'm really glad I didn't.

Posted 1 month ago

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